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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:00:00] Speaker B: I bet you don't know too many unemployed toolmakers at the moment. Or robot programmers.
[00:00:05] Speaker A: No, not at all. If they're out there and then, and they have breath, they're probably working someplace.
[00:00:19] Speaker B: Hello, everyone, and welcome to the robot industry podcast. Thank you for subscribing. We are taking the rig on the road. This summer, my wife and business partner, Janet and our dog Bree were hitting Nova Scotia and Prince Edward island. It's been a great week or so, and so I'm looking for the next part of our vacation. I'm going to re release one of the most important podcasts that I've recorded on the robot industry podcast, and I hope it motivates and inspires you. Dave Goodenough and I met in Orlando at an a three event. I was waiting for a cab at the airport and he kindly offered me a ride. And I took that ride and we've been friends ever since. I also wanted to mention to you that I am starting a second podcast. It's called the Automation Matters podcast. It's about the front end of the business. It's about sales, business development, marketing, and all things that happen at the front of an automation robot integrators business.
Enjoy the podcast.
So why is talent attraction so important to you? And maybe, like you say, even a passion?
[00:01:21] Speaker A: Well, for me the passion is this business has been very, very good for me. And I like to pass on my talent that I like to teach other people. What this passion, what this business, getting in engineering or getting into the skilled trades or whatever it is, I've been through all of them, so I'd like to pass on that. There's a passion in me that loves this business. I like seeing the talent. If we don't have the talent in this trade, it's all going to die. And it stems into a lot of products that we all have in our everyday lives. I mean, automation makes a lot of stuff. And with the skills gaps trading happening, there was a report I read that by the time of 2025, there's going to be 2.5 million jobs of skilled trades unfilled. And that's huge. And we need to I taking it on my own personal responsibility to try to help that stat go down is where I'm at. So.
[00:02:19] Speaker B: Well, you know, and I think that's a really good thing for us to think about too, is because the skills gap, like the automation and robotics industry, is not immune to this skills gap.
[00:02:29] Speaker A: Right, right. I mean, you know, even what we do, there's still people in the manufacturing facilities that have to know what we know just to keep the machines running, you know, to keep the products going out the door, to do all the stuff that in our everyday lives are basically relied. They relied on all this stuff. So it's huge. And it's trying to have people understand what that means, just trying to get an education. Part of how do we track it? Because when I was in my apprenticeship, I had 14 people. In my apprenticeship, we had a pre apprenticeship class, we had 14 people. It's hard to get two or three now.
It's kind of scary in a way, so.
[00:03:11] Speaker B: Well, yes, and I think from earlier conversations in the industry, you know, we're seeing a lot less engineers on the platform. Would you agree with that statement?
[00:03:20] Speaker A: Yes, totally agree. I agree. Everybody's, everybody's in the office, they're at their points. They make some small decisions on the stuff on the shop floor. Guys on the shop floor come in and say, hey, I need this help. They're then dragged out. At the same time. They're responsible for the next product, the next stuff, the next thing, so. And then they're short handed, too. So it just needs to be, we need to get the guys on the floor and the skilled trades in all of them. I mean, it goes anywhere from plumbing to tool maker to electrician to, you name it. They're all, they're all, they're all lacking and they all give you a good way to make a living in your life. I mean, it is a great way to make a living. Yes.
[00:04:03] Speaker B: I bet you don't know too many unemployed toolmakers at the moment, or robot programmers.
[00:04:08] Speaker A: No, not at all. If they're out there and they have breath, they're probably working someplace. So it's definitely a needed skill in every aspect. I mean, a machinist. Every place is a machining. And I don't see that ever going away. You're going to be a lot of 3d printing and 3d, all that stuff coming up, but that's still a technology that needs to be, that has a skill that needs to be followed. You know, there's new technology coming up that the skills are still going to need to be there. They just need to be learned differently.
[00:04:38] Speaker B: Yeah, and I think you're right. What's really interesting about the industry right now is that there are those things like 3d printing or software for 3d printing. So there's a lot of tech in, in tech at the moment.
[00:04:52] Speaker A: Yes, very, very much so.
[00:04:54] Speaker B: So you and I mentioned, or you and I talked about this, about you traveling to one of your customers, and you don't have to say who the customer is. But you saw firsthand recently the big challenges that manufacturers have. And you were talking about some of the billboards in a town you were visiting.
[00:05:10] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I mean, basically I went to a facility, and as I was driving up to the, up to the place, into the town, there was big billboards on the sign that said, this customer is wanting to hire. We're paying $18 to $19 an hour where we have full benefits. I mean, it was a big old billboard. There was even yard signs and places throughout the whole place. As you went through. It was like a political yard sign for. For job, job fair or job, you know, we need your help. And so I got into the, got into the facility and I talked to the person I was meeting at that time, and I go, man, there's a lot of job. Oh, yeah, we're about 80 to 90 people short. We actually have four assembly lines that we can only staff for three right now. So what they're doing is they're, they're getting automation, they're, they're, you know, and he says, the other thing we have problems with is keeping them running. I mean, you know, trying to get a tech in here to be able to touch up a point on a robot or be able to troubleshoot an electrical problem because a prox went bad or, or whatever it is. I mean, there's so many, so many things that even outside of our business, there's still stuff out there that has to be covered. And they even have apprentices. They even have all this stuff that we are trying to do to bring on the skilled trades on top of the manufacturing people that they need just for the everyday day to day operation on the assembly line. So it was quite an eye opener. And it's not the only place that I've been to in the last. Over a year. I mean, it's really been over a year that a shortage of people have been a driving factor for us in the automation field. So.
[00:06:46] Speaker B: So it's truly affecting manufacturing output as well then?
[00:06:49] Speaker A: Oh, for sure. For sure. It really is. And what they're doing is basically, you know, with the COVID stuff they're looking at now is, how can I spread out people, the 6ft keep the social distancing. Well, sometimes you don't have the room on an existing assembly line, so you throw a crowbot in there or whatever you can do to help, help that part of this with the, with the new world we live in right now.
[00:07:09] Speaker B: So so you're seeing some people putting in, say, collaborative robots. Just get over the hump a little bit, but also maybe to attract. Do you think automation is attracting the younger workers, too? People want to work in automated plants, I think.
[00:07:22] Speaker A: I think so. I think that's what they're trying to do. They're trying to also have a. Because you also have to have a marketing thing, right? I mean, there's a, there's a local company that wants to be the best that I have a customer that they want to be the best at what they do, but they want to have the cool automation thing so they can start attracting people to come to their facility. And he's the, the owner of the company's actually told me that this is why I'm automating whatever it costs. I want to do this just because this is the wave of the future. This is what's going to have to happen to do that. You need skilled trades, you need to skill people to do this thing. So you have to start someplace. And we've had some discussions, you and I, about how do we, how do we get to that point and, and how do we go to there. And, you know, there's a lot of ways to do it. I'm part of a couple, and it's just, it's just how do we get to there, right.
[00:08:07] Speaker B: So let's talk about that. We did talk about like, going into the colleges and going to the universities and going into the high schools, but we also talked about the grade schools. So where is kind of where some of the challenges or where are some of the problems that we have to address?
[00:08:23] Speaker A: There's a stigma about manufacturing, right. And it's basically thought of as dirty. And a lot of parents these days remember their grandpa coming home all messy and messed up. And it's not like that anymore. There are a few places like that, but for the most part, everybody's factory automation is really cleaning up a lot of stuff. All the dirty jobs are like handling lead plates or something like that. You know, something that's just hazardous are now being taken over by automation, where you're getting the people out of it, which are going into the cleaner areas and that type of stuff. So I think it's education at a level of trying to make people understand that it's not the old fashioned manufacturing. There's new stuff coming out every day. Even our business, you know, it's clean, it's high tech, it's something new all the time. You're always dealing with that. You're creating something in the field. We are. We're creating something every day. Everything's new. It's a prototype machine we build every day. Like most custom manufacturing, custom automation houses, we're building a one of kind machine. If you're lucky, you get to build a second one. Again, just, you have a better frame of what you're doing at that point. But a lot of only scenes we do are just prototypes. So trying to educate, I think, Jim, the parents, the educators, even at the high school and grade school level, of trying to get them to understand, get them in on tours, get them into your place on showing what we do. I do that all the time. I try to get teachers and guidance counselors especially. Cause there's kids that like to go to school that are meant to go to college, but there's other ones that are just hands on learning. This is the trait, this is the type of stuff they need to be getting into. They can get into learning how to do this stuff and, and how to put a machine together, how to wire a machine, how to debug a machine, how to, you know, touch up points on a robot, how to program the robot to get to that point. So it's, to me, it's how do we get, how do we get to the. My passion lately has been how do I get to the parent? How do I get the parent to say, really look at your, there's a trade here for your, for your son or daughter.
There's something here that can make you just make them have a very exciting and rewarding life. Be a. Be a good pillar in a community. Be all this stuff that you want them to be at this. On this path of this travel. There's both paths. There's the engineering, there's schooling, there's college and all this stuff. But there's also this other path that it seems like it got pushed to the background a little bit. And I think we need to bring on the kids that may not have that, that classroom ability and get them another avenue. That's what I've been passionate about.
[00:11:01] Speaker B: And it's the guidance counselors, and it's like you say, it's the parents, it's the school principals to all be aware of what's happening in manufacturing. And there's so much like, machine vision and like you say, lots of programming and lots of, and lots of hands on opportunities. But one of the exciting things I think about the industrial automation industry is that you're always working on the next gen thing. Maybe it's the next generation medical device and maybe it's a cure for Covid or, or maybe it's the next automobile platform. So it's very, very exciting as well, right?
[00:11:33] Speaker A: No, I. Very, very true. I mean, and right now what we're seeing a lot of is what you never really saw too much of in the past, at least where I've worked, is the consumer product stuff. Bathroom tubs, putting, you know, just making bathroom tubs. You know, we got a job right now that we're starting to put in mobile robots and stacking boxes to an order, you know, because of that. Because they have a person right now putting a 105 pound box on top of their head, carrying it over to a stack and putting it up onto a thing. That's the type of stuff that we're trying to help with. That's the next gen that you talked about. There's always something new. And we got machines out here right now for the medical stuff. You know, that they're in a hurry to get a machine built to, you know, to make at home testers for Covid. You know, it's all this stuff that you're always on that, that bleeding edge. And there's so much technology to make that robot. The 3d vision stuff, all this stuff, the laser line generator, laser welding. There's a whole lot of new technology out there that there's shortages of people to understand it and make it work.
[00:12:41] Speaker B: One of the things that you, you and I talked about was your involvement with FirsT robotics. Can you give me a little bit of a feel? The people out there listening, how you got involved and what it's meant to you and to your company.
[00:12:52] Speaker A: So first robotics is if anybody doesn't really know about it, is a competition for high school kids. Now. It actually starts back in the whole first thing. It actually starts in the grade school, kindergarten first, you know, elementary stuff. We're like first Lego leagues and stuff like that. And they basically give you a challenge and you basically have so much time to create a robot to do this challenge. Everybody in the whole world, there's like over 5000 teams in the whole world. Everybody at January 1, Saturday in January gets together. We all get this big old web blast from first robotic central of here's the task. This is what we're going to do. And they say go. And you're basically got a kid, you got kids, you have mentors, you have kids from high schools. You have. And you're basically given like six to eight weeks to build this robot. Then you have two and a half minutes of a team driving. There's also the part of this thing that I like the best is you're always three on three. There's three teams on a blue alliance and three teams on a red alliance. They're basically going at each other, but the three teams on this one team may be against each other on the next side. So you're always trying, they, they promote this, what they call cooperation and you're, you're trying to help that team. If they're having trouble, you might have your engine, youre, your controls guy over there trying to help them debug a problem just to get them on the field for you to be working on that, but they might beat you in the next one. It doesn't matter. It's all about this cooperation stuff. And in this, in this thing here, for us, it has every aspect of our field. We have upfront mechanical engineering, we have electrical, we have programming, we have mechanical build, we got machining. We also have marketing and sales in this thing. We have marketing of sales teams on this thing. So where they're out there going, and it really is a small version of what custom automation does. It really is, you know, you're trying out there and you're trying to collect money to get the sales team and marketing team are marketing us. They're trying to go out to companies, getting money to basically send this team to hopefully worlds, right? I mean, yeah, that's the goal. So the nice thing about it for me is I've been a mentor on this team for eleven years and our team, I'll just give you a little history of our team if you don't, if that's okay.
[00:15:02] Speaker B: No, this is what we want a.
[00:15:05] Speaker A: Little history is we started with one school, it's a small school, and a lot of these schools are huge and they got lots of big budgets. I mean, there's schools out there, they got $100,000 budgets every year and ours is about 45, $50,000 every year we have to come up with to make this. So we started out with one school, we got one or two kids. These are talking 200 kids in the high school type stuff. And we brought on another team the next year, another school the next year. We've actually made a team out of five different schools, five different very small schools, a couple parochial schools, you name it. But we've made this team. We got up to 45, 50 kids on our team right now. So it's a really nice, solid team. What's nice about that whole thing is we get everybody together at the first, like in December coming up here will be, well, not so much this year, but. And we bring these kids together, and we have a meeting, and this is what we're gonna do. We're explaining it all. All the old kids are actually telling the younger new kids coming up, this is what's gonna happen. And you see this thing of. They all clock. They all. They all gather in their schools throughout this meeting. Here's the kids from this school. Here's the kids from this school. Here's kids from this school. By the time we're done, there's no school. There's no school affiliation. A couple of these schools are actually their rivalries in the sports. They're not here. And there's a big parade, just to give you a big example of what happened, for some time, we had a big parade through our town, and the schools went through their bands. A lot of these kids are on band and all that stuff. And at the end of the parade, they all get together and, you know, you got all these band uniforms in one little clump. Other people that are out onto first Robotics Inn are going up to them in the school later saying, hey, why were you playing? Why were you talking with that guy from blah blah blah? Because he's a teammate of mine. That's what he said. He says, this is not about this, this and this. It's about us as making a robot and a task that goes on. Now, we have schedules, we have all that stuff. I bet I babylon, I'm sorry, but with all this stuff here, we've actually taken this to the next level. It's like, for me personally getting this, I get to go in and help these kids understand what the technology is, how to do some engineering on stress analysis of what that torque means to the gear and all that stuff that has to happen to make a decent robot go to the task, you know? So it's nice to see this. The one thing that I see is work ethic, which is huge. I mean, there's kids that. You get all kinds. There's all types of levels in this whole thing, and you get to see who's got natural ability, who's got all this stuff, so. And at Edgewater, we've actually hired eight kids out of this program of ours, you know?
[00:17:46] Speaker B: You've hired eight kids?
[00:17:47] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. Over the. Over the last 711 years, we've actually hired eight kids out of this program.
[00:17:53] Speaker B: Wow, that's exciting.
[00:17:54] Speaker A: A couple into a mechanical apprenticeship. We got one that went through the electrical apprenticeship. We got one right now on our machining apprenticeship, and we actually hired two that went to college, got their degree in mechanical engineering. They came back and we hired them. So it's been both gamuts. We pull them right out of it. We actually come up here. We also got one kid that just came right out of high school, went into what we created a mechanical engineering apprenticeship. And he's working through that, that it's been very good for us. It's a good way to, like, I want to say pre screen. How do you want to say that? At the end of the day, I'm doing pre screening of what this person's like and what's their work ethic. Do they really want to learn or they, you know, there's other reasons, but that's. That's the biggest thing.
[00:18:40] Speaker B: Well, you certainly would know them very well so you'd be able to vouch for their, especially as students. So that's very, very exciting.
You told me a story about one of your students who's a bit quiet, maybe a bit introverted.
[00:18:53] Speaker A: Yeah, well, this is an interesting story. So I'm just gonna use his name. Vince. Vince came into our company, into one of our meetings. He was a freshman at one of the parochial schools. Came in and he didn't even really hang out with his school. He was kind of this kid in the background that was just kind of by himself, you know? And when we go through this, we always have kids introduce themselves, what school they're from and that type of stuff. His dad was there. He actually had to push him to get. To get there, right? He gets into it. He starts getting into it. The kid is a natural machinist. He goes to a profit school. He's never had machining done in his life. He's rebuilt cars with his dad. He knows how to do. He works with his hands. He understands how to do this and he figures it all out. He just got done painting his truck in our paint booth. He did it. He just figured out how to do and he did it. But the kid was quiet by the time the four years were done. He became our best machinist in the team. You could tell that he was there. We actually hired him on a co op basis after school work his junior year to come in and work at Edgewater because he just has this ability to do that. But it was one thing that I saw is he just knew that the feel of the cutter against the metal and how not to force it. All this stuff that was there. But by the time he was done, he actually became the part of the team. He was now the leader of the mechanical machining part of our team. He was then the leader of that thing. He was directing people what to do. He was teaching people what to do. And he was giving me a hard time like you wouldn't believe. It was fun to. It was fun to watch him grow up through this whole thing. Now he's on our floor right now. He's into his second year of his machine apprenticeship, and I'll be honest with you, he's probably our second best machinist on the floor. We got eight machinists out on the floor right now, so.
[00:20:43] Speaker B: Well, that's a really good story. Can you tell me a little bit about your maga, the mega group, that's the manufacturers awareness group in your area?
[00:20:52] Speaker A: Sure. So myself and a couple other Ethan ones, a superintendent of a local high school, we kind of got together and we started this group called Mega and Mega Manufacturing Education Awareness group. It really. It was a brainstorm I had from a. It wasn't my. All my idea. I had. I was on an advisory committee at a local high school, and we started talking about, how can we get parents involved? How can we get them to understand this thing? It's one thing to have manufacturing days and have a bunch of kids come through your. Your facility, but until you get to them parents, because they're going to go home. That was cool. You're going to college, you know, that type of stuff, and that's not where the way you want to be. You want to try to get to. So we're trying to get to the education of the guidance counselors, the principals, and then to the. To the parents. How do we. How do we do that? So what we did is we broke. The superintendent was a big. That he was on board with this thing. He helped us create this group, and he got the local education people involved in this thing. So we set up a. So what we did is we had two. We had tours of local manufacturing facilities, and we basically, the superintendents of all the schools kind of strong armed their guidance counselors to go after they were done. They were glad they went. We all met at the local college. We had some really nice tour buses that. We had two tour buses that. We actually had all these guidance counselors, whoever in the education part, come in and we put them on buses, and we went to two or three different type of manufacturing facilities. Our place, another facility like us, and then the manufacturing side after us.
So we tried to get. It wasn't just an edgewater thing or just where I work thing. It was a whole county wide thing is what we were trying to go for. So we had these teachers, we went in, we gave them all tours. We had little sit downs at every place afterwards. And we had these little brainstorming sessions. And I was on the tour bus with one of these groups, and we went into this one place. It was. They made molds. They made molds is what they did. And we sat in their room and these teachers and guidance counselors saying, this is so cool. So. And I go, I go, what can we do? Well, we can do this. We can do this. We can do this. The brainstorming of what they could do to help us then at that point was just flowing. Anyway, we built. We all boarded bosses. We went back to the local college to where we had a big, we had a big, nice meal. So we had sat down, we had some, we had some presentations of some other smaller places that didn't really like, like an electrical warehouse. They just put on a presentation for these people on the board. And then we had some local leaders just kind of tell about the. What we're leading, what we're looking for, what kind of benefits. We then presented, okay, these are the types of jobs. And, you know, I can get into an apprenticeship. We can do internships. We can do. A lot of these places do all. They do this. They do internships, apprenticeships, job shadowing. You know, we do job shadowing here. But then we sat there and we said, okay. And at the end of this thing, we had, we had a local guy that was a really good speaker. He was a keynote. So he basically challenged all these people out on a floor, all these educators. All right, in three months, we need a list of people, of kids. You're going to go back, you're going to find these kids that are not so good in school, or they just struggle or whatever, and you ask them, what do you think about this? And so what we ended up doing is we ended up setting up a Google, a Google sign up thing. And everybody could go on, they could sign up kids to actually be part of this. We then sent out mailers to parents. We actually sent out flyers. We did some online radio broadcasting, basically saying, this is event coming up here in the spring, the education in the fall. And so we got a list of kids. Well, then at that point, the second thing to where we did the same thing, we put them on a vice bus. We fed them, well, to be honest with you, to hopefully gather some more input, we did a giveaway. We were trying to do a giveaway to try to get the parents. Yeah, I can go get a free meal and maybe at a chance at a big screen tv or whatever it is. So it went over very well. I mean, there was a couple kids I know that have been hired in by other people. The parents then came up to us later and said, wow, what an amazing event. I didn't know anything about any of this out there, so it was a good way to get them started, involved. So that's been the premise of where we're starting now with COVID It's been kind of, kind of been put on hold this year. That's kind of the premise is where we're trying to go. And it's not just a one company thing, it's really, truly a county wide thing. And it's a way for us to just really try, Jim, to try to get ahold of them parents. It's all that really was is how do we get a hold of them parents and how do we get to that point?
[00:25:35] Speaker B: And you. So, and you're working with your competitors, right? Which is a yes.
[00:25:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. We actually, one of the competitors down the road was, was part of the, one of the speakers, and, and they, they were one of the tour sites. We were the other tour sites. And it.
Once the eagles go away, it's, it's perfect. But there, there is, you know, and you just gotta. I try to explain this. I'm not part of Edgewater at this time, guys. I'm, I'm, I'm part of trying to help a young person get a step ahead in life is what I'm. That's my goal, is really where I want to go.
[00:26:08] Speaker B: So you also do a mentorship at Edgewater as well, and you've got internships and apprenticeships. What other types of programs are you doing? Or is that pretty much it?
[00:26:18] Speaker A: That's pretty much it. And then the outside stuff is where I do this. And then I always try to get in with some advisory committees on some local schools and stuff and try to help my, personally, that's what I do. But Edgewater has all the apprenticeships. We actually have four different apprenticeships. Mechanical, electrical. We have a design apprenticeship and machining apprenticeship. So we have four fields that we like to try as field apprenticeship. We actually have local high schools that send their kids for during school time to us to actually help do a job. Shadow. They get to follow and they do it for a week, not just a day. It's more a week. So you come in from eight to nine and you're watching this, this thing here. So. And you move them around at that point to give them the electrical, the mechanical. You try to move them around to that stuff. So. And then the internships, everybody pretty much has, we get internships out of college, interns out of college and that type of thing. And that's kind of where we're. That's kind of where we kind of hold it at that point. Yep.
[00:27:19] Speaker B: Oh, that's great. Oh, I think it's.
[00:27:21] Speaker A: Sorry, one more. We give tons of tours. I mean, if somebody wants to give a tour for a young class or something, you know, we've had, you know, middle schoolers and elementary kids coming in and you set it up between. You try to have a robot moving in and give them something just to get them excited and geeked about it.
[00:27:38] Speaker B: So I think touring is so important. I know when I was in the industry, I gave hundreds and hundreds of tours of our facilities, and it is something to help get them all excited. And teachers love it. And sometimes you have to, as a manufacturer, sometimes you have to pay for the bus or figure out how to get them in like you've done with your. With your competitions. So if someone's out there listening, Dave, and they want to get involved with first robotics or maybe set up a little consortium like you've done, what are some of the things that they can do?
[00:28:06] Speaker A: So first robotics actually has a very nice website called first firstinspires.org, and you can actually sign up to be a mentor. Right online. And they will get you in touch with a local team or if you want to get a hold of one of your high schools and the tech guy, the guy in the machine shop or the guy in the engineering department in high school and say, hey, I'd like to help you. That's kind of what I did myself. And another guy, the teacher at Coloma High school, was basically, we came, we just said, we're going to start this. And we started it together. We started the team. He did all the stuff I don't like to do, which is the paperwork, but more of an engineer, right? So I like, I like the hands on, fetchy feely just because of my background, but he was that guy. I was the technical guy. Both of us together were bringing the team together. That's how we grew that team. But it was, it was me and him getting together. So I would recommend going out, talk to one of the teachers, talk to the guidance counselor, you know, whatever. Find somebody in that school that you'd say, hey, I'd like to help you do this and that. Now with that being said, from January to April, my wife doesn't see me much.
It's a big investment, but to me it's worth it. I like seeing the kids. I like seeing that. I like seeing that sparkle in the eye when they get the aha. Moment of, man, this is cool. I get this, you know, that's fun. That's really fun.
[00:29:32] Speaker B: And then, Dave, this has been very exciting and a lot of fun, this conversation. How can people get in touch with you if they'd like to learn a little bit more?
[00:29:41] Speaker A: So you can get ahold of me at Dave Dot Goodenough, goodenough at edgewaterautomation, all one word.com. you can also get ahold of me through LinkedIn on my LinkedIn page. And thank you. That's a couple ways you can get ahold of me.
[00:30:03] Speaker B: Thank you, Dave, and thank you for your time today.
I'd like to thank and acknowledge our partner a three the association for Advancing Automation. They're the leading trade association in the world for robotics, vision and imaging, motion control and motors, and the artificial intelligence technologies. Visit automate.org to learn more. And if you'd like to get in touch with us at the robot industry podcast, you can find me Jim Beretta on LinkedIn. We'll see you next time. Thanks for listening. Today's podcast was produced by customer Attraction Industrial Marketing. And I'd like to thank our team, Chris Gray for music, Jeffrey Bremener for audio production, and my business partner, Janete.
