Speaker 0 00:00:00 We have the opportunity to have a lot of people that are helping kids. Also looking at an industry that maybe a lot of people aren't aware of, being able to work with the kids that are interested in automation, interested in robotics, and trying to help foster that interest is, is sometimes a neat opportunity. So having people from academia come to the conference is really an interesting opportunity to help spread the word of things that people can do that they don't really think they can do. Like, it's awesome to work for a robot company, but that's not the only place for roboticists to be employed.
Speaker 2 00:00:41 Hello everyone and welcome to the Robot Industry Podcast. We're glad you're here, and thanks for subscribing. I'm Jim Beretta, and our guest for this podcast edition is Scott Barnett from 3m. Now Scott currently leads the 3M Global Adhesives applications engineering team that is focused on engineering of robotic abrasive processes in collaboration with systems integrators and end using customers. He's been at 3M for 42 years with various abrasives related businesses and has held a variety of roles, including new product development, technology development, business leadership, acquisition integration, and for the past 11 years, applications engineering And fun fact, Scott, I was an application engineer way back in the good old days.
Speaker 0 00:01:26 You were Jim. Awesome. Well, welcome to the club
Speaker 2 00:01:29 And welcome to the podcast. Uh, as I, as I said, I'm glad you're here. Thank. Now, the last time that we met up was in February. We did the robotic grinding and finishing considerations and benefits of implementation. It was a webinar with a three, and Michael Muldoon from AV and R was on it. Tim Burns from a t i. So it's been a few months, but I've glad that we've reconnected.
Speaker 0 00:01:52 Absolutely. It's great to be here. Of course, I had a great time then and, and, uh, you know, both, certainly, um, Tim and Michael, they're both great guys and have worked with them a lot and, uh, really enjoyed it. So that was a great opportunity. I appreciate. Then another one,
Speaker 2 00:02:06 And actually, you know what, we did see each other just briefly though, at Automate in Detroit this year, so that was
Speaker 0 00:02:12 Fun. That's right, that's right. I remember. That was a great time. That was a crazy conference, man. It, it was just packed for a couple days there really great.
Speaker 2 00:02:22 I had a, uh, open session for a video interview and one of my guys had slipped through. He, he'd gotten a customer and couldn't come. So I literally walked up to Mike in your booth at, uh, Detroit, and I said, Mike, follow me. Do you trust me? He said, yes. I said, okay, you're about to be going on video. We literally walked right in and, and he, we did not miss a beat. So it was really fun and it was a great, uh, opportunity to get caught up with him as well. So I wanted to ask you just kind of a broad statement, and because you are heading applications, what's happening in robotic, uh, grinding these days?
Speaker 0 00:02:56 Well, you know, Jim, it, it's, um, I mean, what what's happening is everybody wants to do it. More and more people are wanting to do it, and it, it's not an easy thing. It's not for the faint of heart. You've, you've got to, um, probably the most important per, most important thing is you've gotta get to the right people and, and, uh, it's complex and, but there's experience out there and there's, there's players who have done some incredible work and there's some great technology that can enable people to accomplish things. But, you know, it's different from when it was, uh, I'll say even five or six years ago when so many people didn't, they didn't even consider it. They didn't even think it was possible. And I think what's happening now is people are seeing that it's possible. People, um, are are noticing that other folks are deploying systems, uh, but still they're not easy to deploy. Again, it's about getting the right expertise involved. So we're just seeing lots of people wanting to do it and in more and more technology helping us get it done. But still it's about getting to the right people, I think.
Speaker 2 00:04:00 And one of the things, and this is kind of a good segue, uh, you guys that is 3M have a big conference coming up. Can you tell our audience a little bit about what the conference is about?
Speaker 0 00:04:10 Yeah, sure. We do. It's, it's an a three conference. Um, we're, um, you know, one of the primary sponsors. There are other, you know, really important, um, sponsors as well. And, uh, so we have some great partners that we're working with. But it's, it's an event where we spend about a day and a half where there are, um, several discussion sessions, uh, as well as, um, you know, breakouts where, uh, you can, uh, network, uh, you can also, uh, see some displays from some of the latest, uh, tech technology providers in the industry. You know, the big parts certainly are, are the presentations. So we have, you know, system integrators that have spent a lot of time in grinding and finishing applications, uh, robotizing them. We have end of arm tool folks, um, that are, are, you know, heavily involved and have been heavily involved for many years.
Speaker 0 00:05:07 Some really new technology that people are, are speaking to as well. We also have some, uh, panel discussions, um, with, um, customers that have deployed solutions with an opportunity that they can talk about some of the challenges they faced and some of the key things, uh, that they've been able to, uh, accomplish. Uh, so for about a day and a half, uh, you know, it's, it's a grouping of really important people in the industry who have been working in this space, and many have been working a long time in this space. And so I think it's a great opportunity to get exposed to what's been done, uh, what's being done and, and where everybody's headed and what can be done in the future the last half a day. So it's a day and a half of that. And then there's a half a day where, um, 3M has opened up both our innovation center on campus as well as our customer abrasive method center, uh, known in the industry as the CAM center, uh, for a limited group.
Speaker 0 00:06:04 I think we have 120 spots available. I think it's filling up pretty quickly. Um, so there might not be many spots left, so for anybody interested, they should, they should go online and and register. Uh, but, uh, 3M is opening, uh, for that half a day, both our innovation center and the CAM center, and we're bringing people through the CAM center and we've got the seven automation demonstrations and a lot of, uh, of our partners represented with, uh, uh, uh, you know, their presence in those demonstrations as well. But we're gonna cover a range of abrasive applications from heavy, heavy grinding all the way to relatively light duty, uh, random oral sand, and showcasing how things can be done and, and being available to talk about different considerations and, uh, different issues, but really mostly just to show what's possible. And, uh, so we've got that for the, you know, the, uh, half a day on Wednesday, the 26th in the afternoon. So it's gonna be two days of outstanding, uh, discussion, technology, networking, and then ending out with a bunch of demonstrations, uh, as well as an hour at the 3M Innovation Center where people can get exposed to the amazingly broad range of 3M technologies that most people didn't even know 3M was involved with. So that I, I find is really an interesting, uh, opportunity for a lot of people who haven't been through our innovation center. Uh, they do a great job over there,
Speaker 2 00:07:32 And of course, we're assuming that everybody knows where 3:00 AM is located. So can you tell us a little bit about, about what city you're in?
Speaker 0 00:07:38 We're in a suburb, technically we're in a suburb of St. Paul, Minnesota called Maplewood, but a lot of people just, just say we're in St. Paul, but obviously, uh, Minnesota in the Twin Cities, but on the eastern side. So the, the St. Paul's side of the Twin Cities. So people that are traveling here, uh, ideally fly into Minneapolis, St. Paul International Airport. And, uh, the conference, the first day and a half is actually being held in downtown Minneapolis. We have a great venue to help support, I think we expect about 250 attendees. Uh, a lot of customers looking to work on automation, some with experience, some with no experience. Uh, also a lot of industry members, uh, and partners of ours will be joining. And, uh, obviously we'll be there in full force as well, but it'll be held the first day and a half.
Speaker 0 00:08:26 It'll be held in downtown Minneapolis, um, at the Renaissance Depot. And then, uh, again, half a day we, we've got buses already scheduled, cranked up to get people from downtown Minneapolis to 3M Center, um, in Maplewood, uh, uh, adjacent to St. Paul, uh, for the afternoon of the 26th. So, um, yeah, and it's, Hey, it could be in December, so it is in July. We certainly don't expect snow. And the other cool thing for people that like golf, it's the same week as the P g A tournament, the 3M sponsors called the 3M Open. The venue actually, that we're having the conference at is the same venue, same major hotel where a lot of the participants at the 3M Open will be staying. So, um, just a great, uh, great opportunity to, uh, to talk about automation. And if you like golf, uh, we can help arrange, um, 3M open, uh, admission. So happy to do that for attendees,
Speaker 2 00:09:23 And that's very fun. And so to qual and so just to qualify, it is July 25 and 26 of 20 20 23, correct. So,
Speaker 0 00:09:30 Correct. Thanks, Jim.
Speaker 2 00:09:32 Hey, no worries. This is a really cool, uh, conference. So it's, you know, it's not a virtual event, it's a face-to-face thing. You're seeing real things, you're touching things, you're seeing things grinding and, and, and being ground. And what are, who's the conference aimed at? Like, and are you ever surprised at some of the people's titles that show up,
Speaker 0 00:09:49 You know? Yeah, as in fact, we are. And, and, um, we've had people come from, uh, you know, from academia, uh, which is awesome. I mean, because, uh, there's so much technology being developed out in the academic field as well as really important to all of us in this industry. Um, you know, the development of, of new talent and, um, we, we have the opportunity to have, uh, a lot of people that, you know, are helping kids. Also looking at the types of things that in industry that maybe, uh, a lot of people aren't aware of, uh, being able to work with the kids that are, that are, um, interested in automation, interested in robotics and, and trying to help foster that interest is, is sometimes a neat opportunity. So having people from academia come to the conference is really an interesting opportunity to help spread the word, things that people can do that they don't really think they can do.
Speaker 0 00:10:49 Like, there's nothing wrong. It's awesome to work for a robot company, um, but that's not the only place for roboticists, uh, to be employed. And, and, um, there's a lot of opportunities, uh, for these types of people. And, and, and we all know there's an incredible need. So sometimes we get people from academia and it's really targeted, especially to, um, people interested in deploying automation or robotics in their industrial processes. So it's, it's a heavy industrial focus. Um, it, it's really, again, focused on people looking to deploy automated processes in their industrial environment. But, um, and we get a lot of people doing that, and a lot of people that, uh, maybe have automated welding, uh, for example, or, or maybe they've automated other areas of their process painting, um, but they're really looking to, to say, okay, well, I, I've done all of that, but I'm really nervous about automating my abrasive process.
Speaker 0 00:11:48 I have a bunch of operators, in fact, hard to keep 'em, and I wanna, I wanna automate those things, but I'm really nervous and really concerned what's out there. So this is a great space and opportunity for people to come and talk about wi with industry members who have helped others successfully deploy and, and talk about, uh, the different technologies that are out there, which are important, which are less important for them, uh, who to work with and net and network with the key players. So that's our focus. But again, uh, I think anybody that's been in the automation industry knows it's a tight industry and, and it's another great opportunity for the people that are helping customers deploy solutions to also engage with each other. So certainly we're excited to have a lot of members of the automation industry joining us as well for, for those two days. And, uh, uh, working with potential customers, but also working with each other to help advance the, the capability of, of the industry to help, uh, deploy these abrasive solutions.
Speaker 2 00:12:46 What I like about this type of conference is that people with real problems or real challenges come to you, and you must answer a lot of these questions. Like, Hey, we've got this thing we're trying to do, and what, what media do you use? Or what have you seen being done? Because it is such a, I wouldn't say new, but it's such a evolving industry.
Speaker 0 00:13:05 Yeah, Jim, it's really interesting. I would, I would say a lot of people that come to us with that type of question. You know, the, the interesting thing for me at least, is often the, the first answer we deliver is the, it's the same answer for everybody in a lot of cases. Well, well first we'll certainly ask them a little bit more about what they're trying to, to accomplish, and then we'll provide, you know, we typically provide them some, some advice. And the first piece of advice is, okay, great. Um, you know, one, one word is don't try to do it all with your first project. Don't try to automate a hundred percent of your operation with your first project. And, and, uh, I mean, sometimes they can, but, but in, in most cases that, that is a common goal that people have maybe, but we need them to understand that, that, um, especially when you're deploying it for the first time, it, it's, it's important for you to get used to it for your team to get used to it, for, to, to try to hit the, say low hanging fruit.
Speaker 0 00:14:01 The, the, the opportunities that are easier to be successful at the ones where maybe, um, the investment isn't so high, uh, you can justify it more easily. And then you can, once you've been successful there, you can pick off the others. So it's very common for us to, to start with some basic advice on, on, you know, hey, at the high level, let, let's not, you know, let, let's try to take the, the lowest hanging fruit and, and get that automated, you know, certainly talk to them about viability. So, um, you've got three different opportunities. This, we think this one is probably more viable than that one, you know, because maybe technology isn't quite there. Or, or maybe for example, let's say, let's say they've got an opportunity where, um, it's actually quite common where, where maybe they're, uh, robotically welding over here, they're manu manually welding over there, and they wanna automate grinding on both of those.
Speaker 0 00:14:55 And we might say, well, you know, it's gonna be easier for you to automate grinding when you're robotically welding cause the welds are gonna be consistent and much more consistent. And if you really wanna automate your manual grinding process, that's a, that's a bigger, a bigger test. I mean, it can be done, but it's more challenging. So we can get them to hopefully prioritize, uh, where they would go first in their, in their opportunities. Um, and then I think the other thing we, we really like to do is connect them with key partners that, that can assist. Cause you know, we, you know, we aren't gonna, you know, we aren't gonna sell robots. We aren't gonna do system integration. We have a lot of folks with great software vision, end of arm tooling technology that are good partners and, and we would like to point people to, to, uh, talk to some of those experts as well.
Speaker 0 00:15:43 But we love when they come to us first because we feel like we can steer them in the right direction and, and provide good advice, eventually lead to success. So it is, it is great to have that opportunity in a venue like this where, where people come to talk to us about opportunities. And then, frankly, at the camp center, um, the afternoon of the 26th when we encourage them to come to attend, and hopefully they've signed up to attend, um, you know, we can talk about our capability to, to, to take their parts and, um, you know, put them through their paces. We've got six different robots, uh, in-house at the cam center, all the way from 10 kilo all the way to 500 kilo capability. And so we can do the full range of abrasive processes here. And so if they wanna do heavy grinding, we can show them with their parts, uh, and, and develop at least a proof of concept process for them, as an example, or sanding or any other application in between. So it's great to at least make those connections and go, okay, well, we can prove to you that this can be done. Give us, give us some parts and meet us. And, and we'll, we'll work on a process together.
Speaker 2 00:16:51 And this isn't done during this weekend, Mike. This is something that you do all year long, right? Uh, so do tell us a little bit about how that works, if I have a part and, uh, I I reach out and talk to you or talk to one of your applications engineers.
Speaker 0 00:17:05 Yep. Yep. Jim, you can, you know, frankly, you can get to 3M a variety of different ways. Some of our customers will work directly with their 3M sales professional. They may know them quite well. And, and they can certainly go through the, our 3M sales professional who will then contact us, meaning myself or the application engineers, um, and, and can work directly with us to, to schedule that and manage that, talk about the need and the opportunity and, and get some proof of concept work put together and scheduled. And, um, certainly, uh, people can go directly to me or people can go directly to application engineers if they have the relationship with them as well. So, uh, there's also on our website, 3m.com/robotics, there's an opportunity to a, uh, quote, ask an expert. You can just click a button, put in your needs, your inquiries, and, uh, we'll get back to you as quickly as possible.
Speaker 0 00:18:01 And, uh, often those will result in proof of concept opportunities where we can process a customer's part for them. And we can do that a variety of ways. They can send us parts ideally, you know, a, a part a, a finished part. Okay. We wanna get to this point. Here's a bunch of incoming parts, uh, that you guys can play with. And that's what we would like them to send us. And in many cases, and, and give us time to maybe play around and, and get things fixtured properly and, uh, do some trials and really narrow down the process. And then providing videos and pictures all throughout. And then, um, if it makes sense for the customer and, and if they've got a selected system integrator or partner that they wanna work with, they can all certainly come to the CAM center. We can get that scheduled and, and we can go out in the lab and work together and refine what we've done, show them what we've done, refine it further, have a good discussion about next steps and those types of things. This is something, to your point, Jim, we do, you know, essentially every day of the year. So we're, we're very open and we want to do all of that, not just during the conference, certainly.
Speaker 2 00:19:04 Well, it's very exciting and, uh, you guys have the competitive advantage of, of having lots of materials in your inventory and lots of media in, in inventory and lots of robots. So you've got, uh, it's just kind of this, this perfect storm of, uh, capability.
Speaker 0 00:19:17 Yeah, Jim, I mean that, that, that is a key obviously is, is three got a really significant portfolio of abrasives, a a, a wide range. And some of them are really, really well suited for abrasives where you, or for, uh, robotics where you want really long, uh, lifetimes. So you don't have to do a frequent media change. You don't have to stop the cell to go in and change a belt, for example. Some of them ha are three-dimensional products where they break down over time providing fresh grain throughout that time. And so what that means is that we get more consistent finishes over the life of the product because a traditional two-dimensional, abrasive and inherently starts to dull out as you use it. So the performance changes over time, and that becomes very difficult to manage for a robot, especially, you have to program in changes in pro process parameters to address that variation.
Speaker 0 00:20:13 So we do have an incredible portfolio, a lot of products really well suited for robotics, but until you really dive into the, to the opportunity on a given part, you don't really, it's hard to say, oh, use this abrasive, use that abrasive. In many cases it's trial and error, uh, because everything behaves maybe differently than you might expect it to once you put it in a process. But the other thing is, it's, it's so important, and a lot of people don't realize that, um, this is not really about the abrasive only. This is about the abrasive and how you actually use it. The parameters with which you run that abrasive, they're really match together. Every one of our abrasives has a sweet spot where it delivers the most value. And if you don't deliver that sweet spot of product performance and uh, process parameters to get that product performance, the customer simply won't get the value that they could.
Speaker 0 00:21:13 And so a big part of what our application engineers do is to make sure that those abrasives are matched with the proper process parameters, if they're using robotics, that we're delivering the right parameters through the end, effectors through the robot, through the abrasive tooling, et cetera, et cetera, such that we can get that optimum performance. And then I'd like to make one other comment, and, and people will be able to see this during the conference if they come to the CAM center, is we do, we talk a lot about robotics. I talk a lot about robotics. Uh, as I mentioned, we have six robots in the CAM center that can do a range of things, but we have other automation capabilities in the robot. In, in the CAM center. We do a lot of fixed automation feed through, uh, processing either cylindrical parts or flat parts.
Speaker 0 00:22:03 We can do feed through deburring, feed through finishing applications. We can dori a variety of grinding applications that are feed through. So in some cases, in many cases, when the part geometry is really simple, like perfectly flat or perfectly round or tubular, a feed through process might be a more, uh, productive process for a customer, sorry, robot folks than a robot would be. And we have that opportunity to help the customer make that decision and we can connect them with key builders in the industry that, that drive feed through equipment as well. And so actually one of the demos we'll be running, um, during, uh, the afternoon of the 26th will be a feed through demo on one of our partners machines that are in the CAM center.
Speaker 2 00:22:53 And that's great. And do you, are you speaking at the conference as well?
Speaker 0 00:22:56 I will not have the opportunity to speak. Um, uh, I've done it in the last conference, which was before Covid, and, and it was fantastic to be able to be up there, but we've got some amazing presenters, both a few 3M presenters, certainly Carl Dukes, and I think a lot of people know that Carl, our business leader in the, in the, in our robotics and automation space. Carl will be, will be giving the open remarks. And then we have a keynote from one of our chief scientists at 3m, uh, to talk about the state of science and, and, and, uh, stem advocacy. Uh, she's amazing and I think people will just love listening to her. But, you know, frankly, and, and then we, we have, uh, two other 3M speakers, um, uh, one of our application engineers, Tyler Nats, who I think people, you know, uh, many people recognized and spent a lot of time over the past several years working in industry to help people automate.
Speaker 0 00:23:50 And then, uh, John Schmidt, John is from our corporate lab and John leads, uh, our corporate robotics laboratory that drives new technology into 3M plants as well as into 3M customers. And we've been working with John the last several years and he's got an amazing team. But of most interest is there's a lot of, uh, people speaking from industry key, uh, key integrators as I mentioned before, and end of arm tool manufacturers too. So I think, I think people, uh, get, I encourage people to go to the, um, automate.org site and look up the robotic grinding and finishing conference and check out the agenda. Um, I think you'll be impressed by, uh, number one who is presenting, cuz you'll know some of those folks as well as the subject matter that's being presented. It's gonna be a great conference, you know, one that I think, uh, is gonna be exciting to see the technologies on display and, and the, the solutions that people ha are going to be talking about.
Speaker 2 00:24:51 Thanks for that, Scott. And I'm gonna put, uh, all these, uh, links in the show notes too. So people are listening to this, they're jogging or whatever they're doing, they
Speaker 0 00:24:59 Come back and that's fantastic.
Speaker 2 00:25:00 Check all that stuff if you don't have to happen to have a pen with you. Um, so did we forget to talk about
Speaker 0 00:25:05 Anything? I just wanna make a comment and recognize the collaboration that it takes to, to be successful in this industry when we deploy, uh, an abrasive process and, and recognize that, you know, having great abrasives, which we're really lucky to have, and having incredible process knowledge. Hopefully I hit that one well, that you can't have a great abrasive and make it work without great process knowledge too, and, and, and, and deploying those together in the right way. Those are awesome. Nothing happens without the network that, that we have and the partners, uh, within the industry that we have, uh, to get the right processes deployed for customers. So I really wanna just take a second here and recognize, uh, the system integrator network, the end of arm tool companies, the software companies, um, companie that, you know, that we work with and, uh, how, how, and, and the robot companies, gosh, I cannot leave them out, how critically important it is for all of us to be working together, uh, to deliver the right solution. And, and that's the only way it, it works for a customer. So, um, just wanna make that point and, and hopefully everybody will agree.
Speaker 2 00:26:16 Yeah, thanks Scott. Thanks for that. And I, I had a personal question for you and you're not, please recommend recommending grinding media and automation to, to the robot world. What do you like to do? What are some of your hobbies?
Speaker 0 00:26:27 Yeah, thanks Jim. Um, well, you know, I live in Minnesota, so, um, my hobbies vary by season <laugh>, so, um, in, in, in the summer. Um, I love to play golf and, and my wife plays golf and, and, uh, I have two hip implants. Um, I, I've had bad arthritis in my hips and, um, when I was golfing before my implants, I was carting and man, I was, you know, um, taking medication to help, but mm-hmm <affirmative> and just, but by the end of a round of golf, it was just killing me. But, uh, thanks to this industry, uh, um, yes, which has helped, you know, deploy the right solutions for, for hip implants. Um, I've got two great hip implants, and now I just love to be out walking the course. There's nothing like walking 18 holes and my wife and I both do it.
Speaker 0 00:27:19 Um, essentially every weekend, Saturday and Sunday we do it, and hopefully we get out during the week at least for nine or, or something. So in the summer, that's what I, I like to focus on in the winter. Um, I like to travel a little bit and, uh, my favorite place to travel lately, uh, with my wife is out to see our grandkids in Washington State. And so, um, we've kind of migrated. We have a two-year-old and a four-year-old, and we've migrated from traveling to islands and really cool places to tour, to traveling to see our kids and our grandkids. And so, um, and so we like to do that, uh, some in the summer, but, but quite a bit more in the winter. And, um, yeah, so that, that's, uh, that's all about me pretty much.
Speaker 2 00:28:06 Well, thanks again, and thanks for the, uh, uh, the time you spent with us here. Um, uh, it's gonna be a very exciting conference, especially for the fact that it hasn't been held in a while. Uh, how can people get ahold of you?
Speaker 0 00:28:17 Email is very, is is a very easy way. It's SSL Barnett, B a r n e t t, the
[email protected]. But people can text or call my mobile. Uh, I, I have no problem with that. Uh, 6 5 1 2 8 5 5 4 84. Please, uh, take the opportunity to reach out if, if you need help, if you want, um, want anything. But, um, at a minimum, consider coming to the conference, uh, the 25th and 26th. I, I, I know you'll be glad you did if you do it. So great.
Speaker 2 00:28:49 Thanks for chatting and we'll, uh, we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 0 00:28:52 Awesome. Thanks Jim. Appreciate it.
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